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Mr. Green I appreciate your words of warning. Working for an organization that uses these techniques I have seen first hand how easy it is to focus on the measures; however, as you said organizations don't have to stay at this level and some of the…
November 7, 2009
I think you are making an assumption that tracking numbers of new attendees, decisions made, etc makes, or leads churches to marginalizing heart/internal issues; however, you can measure some of that as well by tracking service, giving, participatio…
November 4, 2009
To your point, many businesses have poor motives, or "bottom lines" so anything they do will probably be corrupted, but that doesn't make many of the tools, methods, principles found in the business world themselves the problem, it's the motives of…
November 4, 2009
I'm wondering what is the morality of these stated methods "Mission statements, five-year strategic plans, hierarchical management structures and demographic-friendly programming" to me these are just tools, ideas, that may help an individual, compa…
November 4, 2009
I don't think business practices such as" Mission statements, five-year strategic plans, hierarchical management structures and demographic-friendly programming" are a problem, in and of themselves. I don't think these practices have any virtue atta…
November 2, 2009
October 8, 2009
Sue Bates and Bob Hempen are now friends
October 8, 2009
Bob Hempen is now friends with Michael De Selm and Nick Loyd
August 11, 2009
I'm not sure I follow your thoughts on excellency, failure, or perfectionism. Trying to do things with excellence doesn't mean one is not allowed to fail, nor does it mean perfection is the goal. What I mean by excellency is attention to detail, att…
July 22, 2009
I get a little concerned when discussions and debate break out over church practice because any church practice, ideology, philosophy, has its strengths and weaknesses. I think the root problem is that little c churches tend to mistake themselves fo…
July 22, 2009
i think that peoples relationship with church needs to evolve over time. I think church can be a great place to connect with God, worship corporately with the body and even get some great personal and practical bible teaching. However, I think overt…
July 12, 2009
I am fortunate to be part of a church community that emphasizes relationships (w/God, self, others) and the idea of building meaningful relationships with believers, nonbelievers whomever. The goal is not to convert people, or expose them to the gos…
July 7, 2009
Bob Hempen and Eric Michael Bryant are now friends
July 4, 2009
I believe our actions speak louder than our words and embracing compassion/justice issues, ministries, opportunities is a great way to show that our desire (as a church, individual) is to help others in their worlds and within their needs. I believ…
July 1, 2009
Sin: Something that hurts me, or hurts others. The sticky part is that we often don't see the consequences close enough to the action, thought, behavior to connect the dots. I used to run a string of group homes for juvenile delinquents and I would…
June 30, 2009
A place to sort out the theological issues that come up as we engage in mission, and the theological issues that come up that affect how we go about mission.
June 29, 2009

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At 10:14am on October 8, 2009, Sue Bates said…
ha ha! No, I don't ever post pics...who cares what I look like? :)
 
 
 

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